GCBy3000
07-19 09:50 AM
Yes, I used to say like this five years back when I had time and age in my hand. I assume you are in early or mid 20's. I will put it differently for you.
Assume there is a big pond which starts from 1 feet and gradually increases up to 100 feet. People with one year work experience steps 0.5 feet. There are life jackets(GC) floating around the pool and whoever is lucky is picking it up. There are guys like me who are already in 5th-6th feet deep without finding the lifejacket, but we are sure if we go further, may be 3-4 feet more we WILL find it. There are guys who are lucky to find a life jacket at 1,2,3 feet also and happily float to the shore passing us. The fifth feet guy is practically seeing how the 6th and 7th feet guys are struggling. May be they are seeing some one in 8 feet to 10 feet. Now a big Tsunami (retrogression) comes and drags all the jackets 20 feet down further. These guys are dejected and some of these guys even pull their spouse/kids in one hand when they float/swim.
Dont forget, it takes one year to step 0.5 feet. Every year the pond management drops a fixed number of jackets. These guys keeps their hope alive based on the above fact. But these guys are seeing some kids passing in motorboat(LC Substitution) paying that guy 10K and getting a life jacket. Hmm pain, but even if I had a chance I would have also done it.
Now comes your saying. When the deepest s...t guys talks about their fate down the line and how to take their family safe ashore, a guy at 0.5/1 feet shouts saying "Dont give up, it is like deciding to take a sanyas because you are tired of dealing with social issues".
If you are in 5+ feet, I take your statment. Otherwise, you will not understand what I am trying to say until you reach 5+ feet without finding a life jacket and also pulling your family in one hand and seeing your seniors struggling more in 8+ feet. :)
NOTE: BTW, no offense. I thought to express what I am saying in different way. I understand what you meant. Cheers.
I think that going back to your home country ONLY because you feel overwhelmed by the delays in GC processing/retrogerssion (assuming you are quite content in your job and standard of living) is not a good idea. Especially true in the event that you and your family experience difficulties in adjusting professionally and socially after returning back. Chances are you might soon get a feeling of having taken a wrong decision in the heat of the moment, especially if the guys who stay back and ride this retrogression storm see some relief while you are still trying to adjust to the changed environment of your home country. You may even get tempted to come back and give the GC thing another shot but then you have to start at square one again.
Going back to home country only because of the shortcomings of GC process is like deciding to take a sanyas because you are tired of dealing with social issues. I belive a decision to renounce something should only come from a position of strength. A true jogi is one who understands the triviality of society and decides to rise above it...not the one who denouces it because he can't deal with it.
As the saying goes..its darkest before the dawn...I truely hope this is the case for all of us here...
Assume there is a big pond which starts from 1 feet and gradually increases up to 100 feet. People with one year work experience steps 0.5 feet. There are life jackets(GC) floating around the pool and whoever is lucky is picking it up. There are guys like me who are already in 5th-6th feet deep without finding the lifejacket, but we are sure if we go further, may be 3-4 feet more we WILL find it. There are guys who are lucky to find a life jacket at 1,2,3 feet also and happily float to the shore passing us. The fifth feet guy is practically seeing how the 6th and 7th feet guys are struggling. May be they are seeing some one in 8 feet to 10 feet. Now a big Tsunami (retrogression) comes and drags all the jackets 20 feet down further. These guys are dejected and some of these guys even pull their spouse/kids in one hand when they float/swim.
Dont forget, it takes one year to step 0.5 feet. Every year the pond management drops a fixed number of jackets. These guys keeps their hope alive based on the above fact. But these guys are seeing some kids passing in motorboat(LC Substitution) paying that guy 10K and getting a life jacket. Hmm pain, but even if I had a chance I would have also done it.
Now comes your saying. When the deepest s...t guys talks about their fate down the line and how to take their family safe ashore, a guy at 0.5/1 feet shouts saying "Dont give up, it is like deciding to take a sanyas because you are tired of dealing with social issues".
If you are in 5+ feet, I take your statment. Otherwise, you will not understand what I am trying to say until you reach 5+ feet without finding a life jacket and also pulling your family in one hand and seeing your seniors struggling more in 8+ feet. :)
NOTE: BTW, no offense. I thought to express what I am saying in different way. I understand what you meant. Cheers.
I think that going back to your home country ONLY because you feel overwhelmed by the delays in GC processing/retrogerssion (assuming you are quite content in your job and standard of living) is not a good idea. Especially true in the event that you and your family experience difficulties in adjusting professionally and socially after returning back. Chances are you might soon get a feeling of having taken a wrong decision in the heat of the moment, especially if the guys who stay back and ride this retrogression storm see some relief while you are still trying to adjust to the changed environment of your home country. You may even get tempted to come back and give the GC thing another shot but then you have to start at square one again.
Going back to home country only because of the shortcomings of GC process is like deciding to take a sanyas because you are tired of dealing with social issues. I belive a decision to renounce something should only come from a position of strength. A true jogi is one who understands the triviality of society and decides to rise above it...not the one who denouces it because he can't deal with it.
As the saying goes..its darkest before the dawn...I truely hope this is the case for all of us here...
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mshelat
05-16 12:28 PM
Actually, it was published in every major paper in the US, as well as in India, China, Canada, and a number of other countries. It was this broad coverage that led to the New York Times editorial. I have also seen mention of it on several news TV channels. And more is to come. The LA Times will be doing a story very soon.
What end result you think would be?
What end result you think would be?
vinabath
03-24 05:55 PM
Right now USCIS, DOL and consulates are really after people. Be careful what you wish for; there are a lot of things under the carpet.there are a lot of things under the carpet.
Can you throw some light... I am scared. Looks like you got some insider info.
Can you throw some light... I am scared. Looks like you got some insider info.
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JazzByTheBay
09-21 06:55 PM
Nice catch nfinity.... this is hilarious!
Ajobha, now I'm really curious about what changed! The contrast between the 2 messages couldn't have been more striking.... :D
jazz
Here is a message from Ajoba regarding the San Jose rally....
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I must say that this is a great great effort. Both, the flower campaign and the rally. Nothing like this has been done before by wanna-be immigrants. We are hardworking, law abiding, well educated people. But until now, the general opinion was that we are at the mercy of the American immigration system. I was especially so frustrated when some of my friends thought that there was nothing wrong in what the USCIS did. Their response was simply "what can we do? let's just re-apply when the dates become current again". Historically, Indians (at least, from my experience) have been hesitant to protest against the wrongdoings of their rulers. This is seen even today, when we fear to raise our voice when our bosses or managers at work exploit us, or our advisers/professors exploit us, or if the USCIS changes rules in the middle of the game. In India too, the general opinion is "Nothing is going to change, let's not get into trouble". This rally has shown that things are changing. We all should wake up, and fight for our rights! I could not attend the rally as I am based in Michigan, but I thank all of you who protested for me and my family. I will do my best to support this effort in whatever way I can.
I am honestly curious. What changed in two months? You were desperate then, and you are not now?
Ajobha, now I'm really curious about what changed! The contrast between the 2 messages couldn't have been more striking.... :D
jazz
Here is a message from Ajoba regarding the San Jose rally....
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I must say that this is a great great effort. Both, the flower campaign and the rally. Nothing like this has been done before by wanna-be immigrants. We are hardworking, law abiding, well educated people. But until now, the general opinion was that we are at the mercy of the American immigration system. I was especially so frustrated when some of my friends thought that there was nothing wrong in what the USCIS did. Their response was simply "what can we do? let's just re-apply when the dates become current again". Historically, Indians (at least, from my experience) have been hesitant to protest against the wrongdoings of their rulers. This is seen even today, when we fear to raise our voice when our bosses or managers at work exploit us, or our advisers/professors exploit us, or if the USCIS changes rules in the middle of the game. In India too, the general opinion is "Nothing is going to change, let's not get into trouble". This rally has shown that things are changing. We all should wake up, and fight for our rights! I could not attend the rally as I am based in Michigan, but I thank all of you who protested for me and my family. I will do my best to support this effort in whatever way I can.
I am honestly curious. What changed in two months? You were desperate then, and you are not now?
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ilikekilo
02-26 09:51 AM
with the help of MA volunteers, was able to collect 27 more letters.
Mailed to the president today, and will be mailing IV soon.
GO IV GO.
TOGEHTER WE CAN.
I mailed 2 letters and somehow I dont see my name, i just want to make sure IV got my letters from Ohio
Mailed to the president today, and will be mailing IV soon.
GO IV GO.
TOGEHTER WE CAN.
I mailed 2 letters and somehow I dont see my name, i just want to make sure IV got my letters from Ohio
jsb
03-06 10:05 AM
I suggest, some of us send another email asking Ombudsman about this. Let us see what kind of response we get. It will be helpful to find if they got the data they requested in 2004. If they have not got it in about 4-5 years, are we also going to wait for a long time to get the data?
This case should be sent to Ombudsman, perhaps by IV, clearly stating that information is needed for decision making on PD cut off dates announced every month, which does not seemingly exist. They need it for their internal working, not for an external query by a client.
BTW, I believe they have grossly underestimated the cost. How did they estimate the cost if they don't even know what is a PD.
What is needed, is not just a computer query. Most of the information (e.g. Priority Date of an applicant) exists only in paper format, perhaps just on AOS applications we submit. For monthly bulletins they only guess based on general progress in preceding months. Isn't clear from faster cutoff date movements in later part of the year, followed by retrogression. The fact is that information sought is neither readily available, nor can it be found that easily.
Even if a lot of waiting folks collect funds as suggested in this thread and send them, how do you know what you get is accurate. Most likely it wont be, due to poor understanding of what is needed, and no way to confirm on how they extract this information.
This case should be sent to Ombudsman, perhaps by IV, clearly stating that information is needed for decision making on PD cut off dates announced every month, which does not seemingly exist. They need it for their internal working, not for an external query by a client.
BTW, I believe they have grossly underestimated the cost. How did they estimate the cost if they don't even know what is a PD.
What is needed, is not just a computer query. Most of the information (e.g. Priority Date of an applicant) exists only in paper format, perhaps just on AOS applications we submit. For monthly bulletins they only guess based on general progress in preceding months. Isn't clear from faster cutoff date movements in later part of the year, followed by retrogression. The fact is that information sought is neither readily available, nor can it be found that easily.
Even if a lot of waiting folks collect funds as suggested in this thread and send them, how do you know what you get is accurate. Most likely it wont be, due to poor understanding of what is needed, and no way to confirm on how they extract this information.
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H4_losing_hope
02-13 12:17 AM
Thanks Needhelp!
So I have trickled into 152 tonight. I thought I'd try my hand at campaigning at some local places and managed 3! It seemed a lot harder than I imagined, I think I need to work on my introduction and smile ;) All three folks looked scared and suspicious of me but atleast they signed! Not giving up hope though! I have some others in the works via some good friends and I am going to try and tap more immigration law firms in SF. I am still pledging 200 and hope for more!! Any tips on campaigning to strangers, and I will be set! Thanks guys.
Have a good eve all.
So I have trickled into 152 tonight. I thought I'd try my hand at campaigning at some local places and managed 3! It seemed a lot harder than I imagined, I think I need to work on my introduction and smile ;) All three folks looked scared and suspicious of me but atleast they signed! Not giving up hope though! I have some others in the works via some good friends and I am going to try and tap more immigration law firms in SF. I am still pledging 200 and hope for more!! Any tips on campaigning to strangers, and I will be set! Thanks guys.
Have a good eve all.
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vdlrao
07-14 11:04 AM
EB2 dates may be unavailable/ dont move. But it is just for a very short span of time. And after that EB2 dates start moving quickly again. I presume by 2009 october, the EB2 India PD will close to 2008. Any retrogression, if ther is, in EB2 will be very mild from now on because of the spillovers.
Regarding EB3: Every year there had been about 100k approvals in EB3 category, out of around 160K(even though there are 140k visas, there have been approving more because they are using unused family visa numbers) approvals in Employment Based Category. This is because of vertical fall outs of visa numbers. Now they have changed the scenario to horizontal fall outs (spreading across at the same category level( ex. EB2) irrespective of country of chargeability.). So this time it would be around 100K approvals in EB2 category.
Let us make as much noice as we could because of EB3 retrogression. That doesnt effect EB2 movement. But may make it possible visa numbers increase for EB category by legislation. So we have to support this agitation made by our EB3 friends.
I could seee all the EB3 folks with PD older than 2006 and EB2 folks with PD older than 2008 will be cleared off in the next two years. I am sure there wont be not more than 1 or 2 years delay between EB2 and EB3 categories in near future.And there are lot of things going to happen for employment based immigratin in the next two years.
Regarding EB3: Every year there had been about 100k approvals in EB3 category, out of around 160K(even though there are 140k visas, there have been approving more because they are using unused family visa numbers) approvals in Employment Based Category. This is because of vertical fall outs of visa numbers. Now they have changed the scenario to horizontal fall outs (spreading across at the same category level( ex. EB2) irrespective of country of chargeability.). So this time it would be around 100K approvals in EB2 category.
Let us make as much noice as we could because of EB3 retrogression. That doesnt effect EB2 movement. But may make it possible visa numbers increase for EB category by legislation. So we have to support this agitation made by our EB3 friends.
I could seee all the EB3 folks with PD older than 2006 and EB2 folks with PD older than 2008 will be cleared off in the next two years. I am sure there wont be not more than 1 or 2 years delay between EB2 and EB3 categories in near future.And there are lot of things going to happen for employment based immigratin in the next two years.
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priti8888
07-09 03:19 PM
Why doesnt US govt allow H4 Visa holders to work like Australian Govt does??????
Regards,
:)
So that out of sheer boredom, H4 Visa spouses go to school and get an american degree. Eventually it works out well for the family (more $$)and the govt (more taxes)
San Jose State University is often called San Jose spouse university :) .
Its full of hard working H-4 spouses...
Regards,
:)
So that out of sheer boredom, H4 Visa spouses go to school and get an american degree. Eventually it works out well for the family (more $$)and the govt (more taxes)
San Jose State University is often called San Jose spouse university :) .
Its full of hard working H-4 spouses...
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neerajkandhari
06-30 05:49 PM
And the worst thing is they approve it from the date tey approve it to 1 year after..My EAD which was expiring on 2th Sep'2008 was approved until Jun 20th 2009. Basically I got a 9 months extension...What a plan...
I got my card today
the old ead was expiring on sept 2008
the new is expiring on sept 2009
I got my card today
the old ead was expiring on sept 2008
the new is expiring on sept 2009
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logiclife
12-01 11:19 AM
No doubt if you have the time, money and opportunity and if you plan to do your masters or your second masters at some point in future, then right now is the time to do it while you are waiting for your GC.
However, you have to be luck to be able to do that as a way to spend the retrogression years constructively.
1. You should have the money to study and maintain yourself/family.
2. Need to have school of decent choice where you live.
3. Need to have a job at same location. Consultants cant have that as they move around from one project to another. You cant change colleges and transfer credits every 6 months as you move from one project to another. Same goes for consultants who are travelling all the time. They cannot do this unless to quit and go fulltime, in which case, the spouse would have to start working to pay the bills and put food on the table.
And what about people who DONT want to do MBA/MS and just want to change employers?
So while a good option, it applies to very few people. If you are one of those few guys, then by all means, go for it.
However, you have to be luck to be able to do that as a way to spend the retrogression years constructively.
1. You should have the money to study and maintain yourself/family.
2. Need to have school of decent choice where you live.
3. Need to have a job at same location. Consultants cant have that as they move around from one project to another. You cant change colleges and transfer credits every 6 months as you move from one project to another. Same goes for consultants who are travelling all the time. They cannot do this unless to quit and go fulltime, in which case, the spouse would have to start working to pay the bills and put food on the table.
And what about people who DONT want to do MBA/MS and just want to change employers?
So while a good option, it applies to very few people. If you are one of those few guys, then by all means, go for it.
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Hinglish
03-21 03:36 PM
This whole discussion got so twisted ...so here is the gist to bring everyone back on track.
USCIS's interpretation of law for the "redistribution" of unused visa numbers is as follows (FALL ACROSS) : arrows denote transfer of excess numbers from categories
EB1 -> EB2 ROW/IN/CH
EB2 ROW -> EB2 IN/CH (proportional)
EB2 ROW/IN/CH -> EB3
EB3 ROW -> EB2 IN/CH (proportional)
Ron thinks that this is wrong and it should be as follows (FALL DOWN):
EB1 ROW -> EB2 ROW -> EB3 ROW
EB1 IN -> EB2 IN -> EB3 IN
EB1 CH -> EB2 CH -> EB3 CH
and at the end then cycle through unused visas to single state categories
I believe that USCIS's interpretation preserves the intent of the law makers to create maximum benefit to the US employers.
USCIS's interpretation of law for the "redistribution" of unused visa numbers is as follows (FALL ACROSS) : arrows denote transfer of excess numbers from categories
EB1 -> EB2 ROW/IN/CH
EB2 ROW -> EB2 IN/CH (proportional)
EB2 ROW/IN/CH -> EB3
EB3 ROW -> EB2 IN/CH (proportional)
Ron thinks that this is wrong and it should be as follows (FALL DOWN):
EB1 ROW -> EB2 ROW -> EB3 ROW
EB1 IN -> EB2 IN -> EB3 IN
EB1 CH -> EB2 CH -> EB3 CH
and at the end then cycle through unused visas to single state categories
I believe that USCIS's interpretation preserves the intent of the law makers to create maximum benefit to the US employers.
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pappu
02-13 09:04 AM
A quick net-worth calculator:
Wakes up and decides more action is needed -------------> +10 pionts
Considers two options:
Become more active at IV and help shape and lead effort ---> worth +100 pts
Open a new venue for influencing our future ---------------> Also worth +100 pts
Finally settles on an easy three-pronged third way:
Trash current volunteer leaders ----------------------------> -500 points
Offer no new ideas on what can be done--------------------> -200 points
Use words such as "zapata" in a post -----------------------> -50 points.
Here's how you can say sorry: Add a mew member (or contribute a dollar) to IV for every -10 points you have earned.
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Wakes up and decides more action is needed -------------> +10 pionts
Considers two options:
Become more active at IV and help shape and lead effort ---> worth +100 pts
Open a new venue for influencing our future ---------------> Also worth +100 pts
Finally settles on an easy three-pronged third way:
Trash current volunteer leaders ----------------------------> -500 points
Offer no new ideas on what can be done--------------------> -200 points
Use words such as "zapata" in a post -----------------------> -50 points.
Here's how you can say sorry: Add a mew member (or contribute a dollar) to IV for every -10 points you have earned.
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Caliber
05-20 02:34 PM
Dear friends,
Please start contributing. Imagine many more years Renewing H1, EAD and AP and the stress that we will have to go through if we do not act NOW. We need a bigger push.
Inform all the friends. Any contribution will be great.
Help yourself.
Please start contributing. Imagine many more years Renewing H1, EAD and AP and the stress that we will have to go through if we do not act NOW. We need a bigger push.
Inform all the friends. Any contribution will be great.
Help yourself.
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piyu7444
03-20 08:34 PM
What can I say to you? I guess nuthing :)
Check this post # 9
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=24470&highlight=transfer
And answer this may be I can learn something from you :)
Originally Posted by gapala
The H1B visa belongs, in effect, to the company that sponsors it. You cannot work for any other company on that visa other than sponsor. If this is a transfer, then, In a so-called "visa transfer" what actually happens is that the initial visa is cancelled in favor of another one issued for the new employer. What that means is OP's work with old employer is considered as "unauthorized work". Do not consider this as illegal presence, as his legal presence is controlled by a valid I-94.
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So in this case if I work for EMP A and apply for a h1b thru EMP B as soon as the EMP B's petition is approved I lose the approved peition with EMP A ??? COLOR]
Check this post # 9
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=24470&highlight=transfer
And answer this may be I can learn something from you :)
Originally Posted by gapala
The H1B visa belongs, in effect, to the company that sponsors it. You cannot work for any other company on that visa other than sponsor. If this is a transfer, then, In a so-called "visa transfer" what actually happens is that the initial visa is cancelled in favor of another one issued for the new employer. What that means is OP's work with old employer is considered as "unauthorized work". Do not consider this as illegal presence, as his legal presence is controlled by a valid I-94.
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So in this case if I work for EMP A and apply for a h1b thru EMP B as soon as the EMP B's petition is approved I lose the approved peition with EMP A ??? COLOR]
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arunmurthy
09-30 09:11 PM
Just get lost....................I just don't believe that this kind of idiot species still exist in this world.
Dude you brought up the point of being a proud donor. Nobody gives a hoot if you donate or not.
You are doing it for yourself and not for humanity.
Get it right!
And the way you behave shows what kind of background you have (UP/Bihar)
So just grow up and learn how to respect others!!!
Dude you brought up the point of being a proud donor. Nobody gives a hoot if you donate or not.
You are doing it for yourself and not for humanity.
Get it right!
And the way you behave shows what kind of background you have (UP/Bihar)
So just grow up and learn how to respect others!!!
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add78
06-25 11:00 AM
June05,
Encourage your friends to call for themselves and your co workers on your behalf.
if you can talk to your boss and have him/her call on behalf of your organization explaining the difficulty, its even better.
Yes, this is true with any representative we call.
The rep will be given a tally of X ppl called in support of which Y were our constituents. The more Y's we get, the better on any call, but X's are also necessary to call. The more US employers are part of Y, even better. I managed to get 3 local friends to call.
keep up the good work fellows.
Encourage your friends to call for themselves and your co workers on your behalf.
if you can talk to your boss and have him/her call on behalf of your organization explaining the difficulty, its even better.
Yes, this is true with any representative we call.
The rep will be given a tally of X ppl called in support of which Y were our constituents. The more Y's we get, the better on any call, but X's are also necessary to call. The more US employers are part of Y, even better. I managed to get 3 local friends to call.
keep up the good work fellows.
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raajpagare
03-06 02:49 AM
They wrote "ass" instead of "all". Is it a freudian slip or they are deliberately calling us names on the sly :)
LostInGCProcess
08-21 09:03 PM
Are they asking for $20 money order or a stamped envelope again? I won't be surprised if these people are pocketing the extra money.
She gave the choice to either send $20.00 MO or send an stamped envelope. I am contemplating on sending the $20.00 MO. Because I don't want them to tell me again that I have not sent the envelope, should I send one.
She gave the choice to either send $20.00 MO or send an stamped envelope. I am contemplating on sending the $20.00 MO. Because I don't want them to tell me again that I have not sent the envelope, should I send one.
TheOmbudsman
11-08 11:27 AM
Yes, I mean, eventually they would get their citizenship. It takes few years, but they will get there.
Are you sure it is possible to sponsor your nieces, uncles etc if you are permanent resident? Don't you have to be a citizen to do that? I always thought you have to be a citizen to do that.
Are you sure it is possible to sponsor your nieces, uncles etc if you are permanent resident? Don't you have to be a citizen to do that? I always thought you have to be a citizen to do that.
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