another one
02-13 07:35 AM
There is no Santa Claus. Let me repeat, there is no Santa Claus.
Open your own forum, invest your own money, invest your own time, get your own following. If all of that seems too much, then rejoice that you are getting to have a lobbyist in DC for $20 a month.
Don't spoil my morning coffee with your whining. This is not an organization that was started because you started contributing, and therefore makes you have a say on leadership.
I think a change of leadership of IV is critical if we have to get anywhere. IV has not been able to achieve a single thing in all of its existence. Not a single thing, nada, zitto, zapata. Not disclosing the issues they are working on, not disclosing how the funds are distributed, not disclosing the lobbyist they are using. Who in the world calls that leadership!
That is the reason that no one wants to contribute. First get some results, show people results for what they have paid for. Then ask for more money. Most people I talk to are confident that IV will achieve nothing given their track record. I tried to convince a colleague to join IV. He bet with me that they will not be able to achieve even this filing I-485 issue. He bet that he will join and pay if they did.
I know IV works like dIVorced wIVes club and saying anything negative is taboo. Anyone saying anything negative is crushed with (p)curses. Only good mushy things are allowed here. So here it is: We will get our GCs by the end of the month. Hallelujah!
But I am writing this for the benefit of IV and please take this as constructively as you can. As a member, I have full right to suggest a change of leadership when I think it can help.
Open your own forum, invest your own money, invest your own time, get your own following. If all of that seems too much, then rejoice that you are getting to have a lobbyist in DC for $20 a month.
Don't spoil my morning coffee with your whining. This is not an organization that was started because you started contributing, and therefore makes you have a say on leadership.
I think a change of leadership of IV is critical if we have to get anywhere. IV has not been able to achieve a single thing in all of its existence. Not a single thing, nada, zitto, zapata. Not disclosing the issues they are working on, not disclosing how the funds are distributed, not disclosing the lobbyist they are using. Who in the world calls that leadership!
That is the reason that no one wants to contribute. First get some results, show people results for what they have paid for. Then ask for more money. Most people I talk to are confident that IV will achieve nothing given their track record. I tried to convince a colleague to join IV. He bet with me that they will not be able to achieve even this filing I-485 issue. He bet that he will join and pay if they did.
I know IV works like dIVorced wIVes club and saying anything negative is taboo. Anyone saying anything negative is crushed with (p)curses. Only good mushy things are allowed here. So here it is: We will get our GCs by the end of the month. Hallelujah!
But I am writing this for the benefit of IV and please take this as constructively as you can. As a member, I have full right to suggest a change of leadership when I think it can help.
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NKR
07-09 04:30 PM
Alongwith permission for H4 to work, there are several other problems that legal immigrants face in USA. However, lets face it ... its always a small set of people who are fighting for their green cards. After a prolonged wait, once they get the GC, they move on with their life, forgetting their own ordeal in the past, and ignoring the future problems of fresh GC aspirants in the queue.
Even the fresh GC aspirants who come to USA on H1/L1 visa, do not understand the importance of staying on top of their GC application and start organizing themselves. Mostly they realize the gravity of situation couple of year after their arrival, and start venting their anger and frustation on immigration forum like this.
A majority of immigrants think that the immigration doors should shut down immediately after they get their GC's. This transformation takes place overnight. I have never heard that from such a large population of immigrants who are settled in USA, anyone ever raised their voice supporting the legal immigration.
Lets face it ... its an unjust world ... we have lots of problems as far as legal immigration is concerned. But how many of us who are boiling with frustation here, will ever work and spend our time and energy on immigration related issues once we get the green card/citizenship?
BTW, I am just throwing some light on the basic root cause of this problem... no war of words please ... just peace.
Just think, it will be hard for a GC holder to continue the fight. After waiting for many frustrating years, he will just want to put the unpleasant thoughts behind and move on, and make up for all the lost years, they will have other things to do. That�s the reality, you got to fight for yourself along with people who are in the same situation as you.
Even the fresh GC aspirants who come to USA on H1/L1 visa, do not understand the importance of staying on top of their GC application and start organizing themselves. Mostly they realize the gravity of situation couple of year after their arrival, and start venting their anger and frustation on immigration forum like this.
A majority of immigrants think that the immigration doors should shut down immediately after they get their GC's. This transformation takes place overnight. I have never heard that from such a large population of immigrants who are settled in USA, anyone ever raised their voice supporting the legal immigration.
Lets face it ... its an unjust world ... we have lots of problems as far as legal immigration is concerned. But how many of us who are boiling with frustation here, will ever work and spend our time and energy on immigration related issues once we get the green card/citizenship?
BTW, I am just throwing some light on the basic root cause of this problem... no war of words please ... just peace.
Just think, it will be hard for a GC holder to continue the fight. After waiting for many frustrating years, he will just want to put the unpleasant thoughts behind and move on, and make up for all the lost years, they will have other things to do. That�s the reality, you got to fight for yourself along with people who are in the same situation as you.
nogc_noproblem
07-13 11:04 PM
Based on the various discussions in this forum, the number is expected to be around 20k. No concrete evidence for this claim.
It will be interesting to see Sep bulletin. Because at present except EB2 I & C all other categories are either C or U. So, each and every visa will go to EB2 I & C and there will be plethora of approvals beginning Aug 1st. I-485 processing date is in July ’07 (both at TSC and NSC) and all the pending EB2 (till June 1st 06) may not be ready to adjudicated (RFE, denials, I-140 not cleared etc). If the above numbers are correct and given the fact that additional numbers will be available beginning Oct (2008 quota), there is bright chance that EB2 dates may still move further. This is my personal opinion.
Does any one has any Idea or back of the envelope calculation as to how many EB2 visas (for all countries) may be left for the remainder of FY'07?
The reason I am saying Eb2 all and not EB2 India, as most of the 485 applications filled in early July 485 were from India. Hence, given the new interpretation of visa overflow, almost all will be assigned to this category.
It will be interesting to see Sep bulletin. Because at present except EB2 I & C all other categories are either C or U. So, each and every visa will go to EB2 I & C and there will be plethora of approvals beginning Aug 1st. I-485 processing date is in July ’07 (both at TSC and NSC) and all the pending EB2 (till June 1st 06) may not be ready to adjudicated (RFE, denials, I-140 not cleared etc). If the above numbers are correct and given the fact that additional numbers will be available beginning Oct (2008 quota), there is bright chance that EB2 dates may still move further. This is my personal opinion.
Does any one has any Idea or back of the envelope calculation as to how many EB2 visas (for all countries) may be left for the remainder of FY'07?
The reason I am saying Eb2 all and not EB2 India, as most of the 485 applications filled in early July 485 were from India. Hence, given the new interpretation of visa overflow, almost all will be assigned to this category.
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stucklabor
03-18 12:38 PM
Appu, I found it! Frist's bill says that for foreign applicants with advanced degrees in STEM from an accredited US grad program (no matter when they graduated), notwithstanding the applicant's eligibility for US permanent residence, the applicant can file for adjustment of status if the applicant has an immigrant petition filed under one of the EB categories.
This means that the applicant does not have to undergo labor certification at all! This is because for a person that wants to work in the US is only eligible for US permanent residence if the applicant undergoes labor cert.
See p. 217 of S2454, lines 8-9. This applicant is still subject to the quotas and has to wait for a visa number for approval of adjustment of status.
Both bills allow "special handling" for applicants with advanced degrees who have worked in the US for three years. I am confused about how exactly that works. My brother-in-law is a college prof and he had to go thru PERM labor cert, though they used the results of his original recruitment and didn't have to file fresh ads. So I am not sure if the "special rule labor cert" in 8 USC 1182 (a)(5)(A)(ii) directly relates to Schedule A.
But these applicants don't have to wait for a visa number and are exempt from the quota.
An applicant with a US grad STEM degree and 3 years experience probably can go right to I140/485 concurrent without labor cert and is not subject to Labor cert or any quota.
Yeah, that's the tricky part. I think all professions that require advanced
degrees in STEM have been classified (by Section 406) as Schedule A.
Which means you file ETA form 9089 directly to USCIS NOT to the DOL.
That's the "special labor certification" that the Specter mark-up refers to.
The PACE act doesn't have this provision - it excludes future F4 visa graduates from labor certification but says nothing about the current advanced degree holders. Frist's bill seems to exempt all those with advanced degrees and are employed in their field of expertise from going to the DOL for certification. Plus, if you have been employed for 3 years or more, then the quota doesn't apply and you get a visa number right away.
This means that the applicant does not have to undergo labor certification at all! This is because for a person that wants to work in the US is only eligible for US permanent residence if the applicant undergoes labor cert.
See p. 217 of S2454, lines 8-9. This applicant is still subject to the quotas and has to wait for a visa number for approval of adjustment of status.
Both bills allow "special handling" for applicants with advanced degrees who have worked in the US for three years. I am confused about how exactly that works. My brother-in-law is a college prof and he had to go thru PERM labor cert, though they used the results of his original recruitment and didn't have to file fresh ads. So I am not sure if the "special rule labor cert" in 8 USC 1182 (a)(5)(A)(ii) directly relates to Schedule A.
But these applicants don't have to wait for a visa number and are exempt from the quota.
An applicant with a US grad STEM degree and 3 years experience probably can go right to I140/485 concurrent without labor cert and is not subject to Labor cert or any quota.
Yeah, that's the tricky part. I think all professions that require advanced
degrees in STEM have been classified (by Section 406) as Schedule A.
Which means you file ETA form 9089 directly to USCIS NOT to the DOL.
That's the "special labor certification" that the Specter mark-up refers to.
The PACE act doesn't have this provision - it excludes future F4 visa graduates from labor certification but says nothing about the current advanced degree holders. Frist's bill seems to exempt all those with advanced degrees and are employed in their field of expertise from going to the DOL for certification. Plus, if you have been employed for 3 years or more, then the quota doesn't apply and you get a visa number right away.
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shaikhshehzadali
03-21 03:48 PM
It is just the way u wrote....put a poll and most of us will agree on that...
I have been very clear on my statements..
All I can say is .... :) I didnt ... you called them that by wrongly inferring that from my posts
I have been very clear on my statements..
All I can say is .... :) I didnt ... you called them that by wrongly inferring that from my posts
canadianinnyc
02-22 01:41 PM
Thanks. I do have my EAD. Just fearful that since I wont be at the 6 month period, I wont get to portability.
Does US immigration check up on this stuff? If so, how? I'm thinking that the Texas processing center (where my info is being processed) is too busy working on my papers (and other folks' papers) rather than inquiring about everyone's employment status.
Is this wishful thinking?
Does US immigration check up on this stuff? If so, how? I'm thinking that the Texas processing center (where my info is being processed) is too busy working on my papers (and other folks' papers) rather than inquiring about everyone's employment status.
Is this wishful thinking?
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meridiani.planum
03-13 08:43 PM
Sorry , but I dont think that it is possible to do that ...
EB3 vs EB2 classifications depend on Job Description ie the description and education, experience requirement given at the labor certification stage.
You can get labor certification which would satisfy EB2 class requirements and apply under EB3 for I140 .... but not the other way around. ...
That means starting from scratch with PERM with a new Labor... loosing PD and back to square one ... obviously not worth it
PD is not lost if you crossed I-140 stage (got an approval) on the older application.
EB3 vs EB2 classifications depend on Job Description ie the description and education, experience requirement given at the labor certification stage.
You can get labor certification which would satisfy EB2 class requirements and apply under EB3 for I140 .... but not the other way around. ...
That means starting from scratch with PERM with a new Labor... loosing PD and back to square one ... obviously not worth it
PD is not lost if you crossed I-140 stage (got an approval) on the older application.
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walking_dude
10-07 10:34 AM
Sam,
Now that you've joined us our enthusiasm has doubled. May be you and cagedcactus can co-ordinate to book the center for meeting ? ( if any reservations are needed)
I'm trying to get some more prospective IV members. I'm sure we'll have a decent turnout this time :)
i am in and will volunteer arrangements .......
Now that you've joined us our enthusiasm has doubled. May be you and cagedcactus can co-ordinate to book the center for meeting ? ( if any reservations are needed)
I'm trying to get some more prospective IV members. I'm sure we'll have a decent turnout this time :)
i am in and will volunteer arrangements .......
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amitjoey
05-20 12:48 PM
I am having a lot of success asking my friends to also help us send emails. Some of these people are not stuck in the EB Queue, but are glad to help.
Please ask all your friends to help out to send emails and printed letters.
Please ask all your friends to help out to send emails and printed letters.
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lacrossegc
06-17 03:45 PM
Same here ... for EAD and AP (for me or dependent) my company does not reimburse these fees. They will however reimburse if I have to use EAD to work due to unavoidable H1 extension issues/ inability to extend beyond 6 yrs etc. I think that is a fair and reasonable policy in general
I know they charge a lot, but my employer will pay them higher fees but my employer will not pay me filing fees.
I know they charge a lot, but my employer will pay them higher fees but my employer will not pay me filing fees.
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walking_dude
09-21 01:21 PM
Here's what they got that we don't
1) Numbers - 12 million new voters indebted to them for life, is too hard for some national-level politicians to resist
- We are barely 1 million. Given we are "highly-skilled" most of us never likely to vote in elections (to avoid jury duties)
2) Strong support from US Citizens who vote for ethnic reasons. Whether anyone likes it or not legalization of "undocumented" has become a ethnic issue. More powerful than our international/global approach, because there are 25% of US population belong to that ethnicity ( and they also vote in greater percentages than the natives)
- Chinese/Indian/Phillipino/others USC/LPRs communities are miniscule in number. And most of them don't give a you-know-what.
3) They have the strongest Motivator - FEAR - it's a matter of 'survival' and not just pursuit of happiness like us. God forbid, we go back to our countries we won't starve there. These guys don't have any jobs in their countries and will be living in abject poverty . They risk death in the desert, whenever they go for vacation back home. Cops, criminals, USCIS, abusive Employers, Nativists - everyones at their back. Some of them are married to US citizens/LPRs. They face the prospects of getting separated from their families.
- We don't have such a strong motivation. If let's say there was a NumbersUSA sponsored bill to bring all legal immigration down to 50,000, believe me, DC would've been swamped by protesters. We may have met, even exceed initial projection of 10,000 participants. You'd have seen a true multi-ethnic protest respresented by every nation on the Atlas.
4) Money is not a problem for them. Many of them are paid off the books and have never paid Income Tax, SS Tax etc. There are also very strong political organizations, PACs (Political Action Committees) supporting. There are many USCs/LPRs contributing to election campaigns on their behalf.
- We pay all taxes. There is no PAC supporting the cause of EB immigrants exclusively ( ImmigrantsList is a PAC that supports all immigration including "undocumented").
Unless a LPR starts a PAC ( Aman?) starts collecting funds from other former-IV LPRs and US citizens and starts campaign contributions we continue to have a limited voice ( paying a Congressmans election campaign is will catch his/her attention more than paying a lobbyist to talk to them)
So it's not them having many negatives. It's us EB immigrants who face the strongest odds.
Just an analogy please dont think i am against undocumented fellows.. They are definitely facing a bigger problem than us!
Compare the following
Nondocumented vs. Documented Legals
1] Not well educated / Highly Skilled
2] Not much computer savvy / Mostly everyone should be
3] Not have enough resources to advertise their struggle!
/ Trying all ways to advertise & campaign
4] Do not have enough monetary collection to run a rally / advt /
set up a website
/ Have some collection to do the basics
5] Come here illegally and yet have the courage to demand a legal status openly...
/ Feel shy or sorry for demanding a legal status soon! (for those who dont think
this is worthwhile)
Inspite of all these negatives , they have grouped up so well ! highly commendable. I dont know what we can learn from them, only that they are all in the same boat , but we are in different ones .. as some have got gc, some have got receipts, some are ready to wait as they have just applied, some are just not interested!!
1) Numbers - 12 million new voters indebted to them for life, is too hard for some national-level politicians to resist
- We are barely 1 million. Given we are "highly-skilled" most of us never likely to vote in elections (to avoid jury duties)
2) Strong support from US Citizens who vote for ethnic reasons. Whether anyone likes it or not legalization of "undocumented" has become a ethnic issue. More powerful than our international/global approach, because there are 25% of US population belong to that ethnicity ( and they also vote in greater percentages than the natives)
- Chinese/Indian/Phillipino/others USC/LPRs communities are miniscule in number. And most of them don't give a you-know-what.
3) They have the strongest Motivator - FEAR - it's a matter of 'survival' and not just pursuit of happiness like us. God forbid, we go back to our countries we won't starve there. These guys don't have any jobs in their countries and will be living in abject poverty . They risk death in the desert, whenever they go for vacation back home. Cops, criminals, USCIS, abusive Employers, Nativists - everyones at their back. Some of them are married to US citizens/LPRs. They face the prospects of getting separated from their families.
- We don't have such a strong motivation. If let's say there was a NumbersUSA sponsored bill to bring all legal immigration down to 50,000, believe me, DC would've been swamped by protesters. We may have met, even exceed initial projection of 10,000 participants. You'd have seen a true multi-ethnic protest respresented by every nation on the Atlas.
4) Money is not a problem for them. Many of them are paid off the books and have never paid Income Tax, SS Tax etc. There are also very strong political organizations, PACs (Political Action Committees) supporting. There are many USCs/LPRs contributing to election campaigns on their behalf.
- We pay all taxes. There is no PAC supporting the cause of EB immigrants exclusively ( ImmigrantsList is a PAC that supports all immigration including "undocumented").
Unless a LPR starts a PAC ( Aman?) starts collecting funds from other former-IV LPRs and US citizens and starts campaign contributions we continue to have a limited voice ( paying a Congressmans election campaign is will catch his/her attention more than paying a lobbyist to talk to them)
So it's not them having many negatives. It's us EB immigrants who face the strongest odds.
Just an analogy please dont think i am against undocumented fellows.. They are definitely facing a bigger problem than us!
Compare the following
Nondocumented vs. Documented Legals
1] Not well educated / Highly Skilled
2] Not much computer savvy / Mostly everyone should be
3] Not have enough resources to advertise their struggle!
/ Trying all ways to advertise & campaign
4] Do not have enough monetary collection to run a rally / advt /
set up a website
/ Have some collection to do the basics
5] Come here illegally and yet have the courage to demand a legal status openly...
/ Feel shy or sorry for demanding a legal status soon! (for those who dont think
this is worthwhile)
Inspite of all these negatives , they have grouped up so well ! highly commendable. I dont know what we can learn from them, only that they are all in the same boat , but we are in different ones .. as some have got gc, some have got receipts, some are ready to wait as they have just applied, some are just not interested!!
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delhirocks
06-19 06:59 PM
I want to ask if I file my labour before oct 2007 am I going to be safe?
Or I will still come under the merit system?pls anybody will ans this question. I am going to start my GC 2 months(after adv etc)
You need to file for I-140 before 10/1/07.
For that you need to have an aproved Labor.
Bear in mind this is just one of the opinions out there (albeit the most prevalent)
Nothing is final yet, untill CIR passes both houses and signed by the president before 09/30/07. (Though it looks highly likely now)
Or I will still come under the merit system?pls anybody will ans this question. I am going to start my GC 2 months(after adv etc)
You need to file for I-140 before 10/1/07.
For that you need to have an aproved Labor.
Bear in mind this is just one of the opinions out there (albeit the most prevalent)
Nothing is final yet, untill CIR passes both houses and signed by the president before 09/30/07. (Though it looks highly likely now)
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vine93
03-05 01:03 AM
I also got the same letter from USCIS today.
Where is the core who advised us to fax letter to USCIS. Please let us know what the action plan is ?
I am ready for $25.
Where is the core who advised us to fax letter to USCIS. Please let us know what the action plan is ?
I am ready for $25.
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vsrinir
09-12 08:56 AM
With out passing the bill any PRESIDENT CAN NOT DO ANYTHING even if he wants to help us.
CONGRESS HAS TO PASS THE BILL. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY FOR US.
President can do ONLY VETO ON ANY BILL OR HE CAN GO TO WAR ON ANY COUNTRY. THATS ALL HE CAN DO.
CONGRESS HAS TO PASS THE BILL. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY FOR US.
President can do ONLY VETO ON ANY BILL OR HE CAN GO TO WAR ON ANY COUNTRY. THATS ALL HE CAN DO.
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nfinity
09-21 07:26 PM
This question is not to undermine the effort, which was tremendous but just from a realistic point of view...
I'm just curious to know how long it will take (or rather how long we are prepared to wait) for the impact of this rally to be felt and what are the changes that can be expected from USCIS as a result ?
Say, after waiting for a few months, status quo continues, what further actions are planned to persist with IV's cause (i.e. more rallies or by other means) ?
If the same question has been already raised, please ignore.
Thanks.
Vin,
I dont think the question is about price of action. Its the price you are going to pay for inaction. Each of us is impacted one way another. So, do you really want to sit at home and do nothing about it?
how many times do you take the approach of inaction to solve a problem?
I'm just curious to know how long it will take (or rather how long we are prepared to wait) for the impact of this rally to be felt and what are the changes that can be expected from USCIS as a result ?
Say, after waiting for a few months, status quo continues, what further actions are planned to persist with IV's cause (i.e. more rallies or by other means) ?
If the same question has been already raised, please ignore.
Thanks.
Vin,
I dont think the question is about price of action. Its the price you are going to pay for inaction. Each of us is impacted one way another. So, do you really want to sit at home and do nothing about it?
how many times do you take the approach of inaction to solve a problem?
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indyanguy
07-18 12:21 PM
Coming back to the discussion about EB3->EB2:
1. For all those who have already initiated the process and are aware of the delays in PERM (about 8 mos) and 140 nowadays (about 10 mos), the cost involved (close to $9k) and without a guarantee of a successful interfiling (a lot of people on this forum earlier had narrated instances of failures), what was your motivation to continue??
2. Has anyone started this process with their EB3 140 still pending?
1. For all those who have already initiated the process and are aware of the delays in PERM (about 8 mos) and 140 nowadays (about 10 mos), the cost involved (close to $9k) and without a guarantee of a successful interfiling (a lot of people on this forum earlier had narrated instances of failures), what was your motivation to continue??
2. Has anyone started this process with their EB3 140 still pending?
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pappu
05-28 12:54 PM
I have made small contribution of $50/-. Thanks to the fellow IV members on their efforts to make this a success :)
Thank you
Thank you
tabletpc
09-12 11:18 AM
Don't forget they are politicians. Before getting elected they will make 100 promises. After getting elected they don't even rememeber even a single promise.:D:D:D.
Whether its INDIA or US, politicians have same Gene.:D:D
Just reporting what I saw on CNN. During the Sen. McCain interview with Judy Judy Woodruff & Richard Stengel, Richard asked something like - what about the green cards for the highly skilled immigrants educated by American Universities. To this Sen. McCain replied implying - they should be given green cards sooner, I am not sure if they could be given automatic green cards but the process should be faster.....
He said it not exactly in these words but implying something to that effect. They were suppose to ask Sen. Obama the exact same questions. Did anyone see Sen. Obama's answer to the question about green card for high skilled immigrants from Richard Stengel? Just curious....
Whether its INDIA or US, politicians have same Gene.:D:D
Just reporting what I saw on CNN. During the Sen. McCain interview with Judy Judy Woodruff & Richard Stengel, Richard asked something like - what about the green cards for the highly skilled immigrants educated by American Universities. To this Sen. McCain replied implying - they should be given green cards sooner, I am not sure if they could be given automatic green cards but the process should be faster.....
He said it not exactly in these words but implying something to that effect. They were suppose to ask Sen. Obama the exact same questions. Did anyone see Sen. Obama's answer to the question about green card for high skilled immigrants from Richard Stengel? Just curious....
BharatPremi
12-10 10:43 AM
Well said Logiclife and Chanduv23.
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